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                    <text>Bev Pechan: I'm talking with June Reddick from Rapid City, and Owanka, and we're talking about things
that you remember from your earlier days, pertaining to living in the country and Rapid City history, and
so forth. Give me a little background about your family.
June Reddick: Well, my father's side of the family came from Iowa, back in the 1800s. Settled in Dakota
City, that was east of Rapid City. Later, they moved to Rapid City, and this is my grandfather. I'm talking
about Joseph Waterson, and he had a hand in building the first Rapid City auditorium. He had a brother
that built the Rec's theater; that was the third theater in Rapid City. They carried freight by oxen team
from Deadwood to Ft. Pierre. This family was very active in building and settling the area.
Bev Pechan: Okay. With their oxen teams, how did they come about that business? Was that something
they thought of, or did they fall into it like a lot of people did, years ago? There was a need, and so they
found a way to acquire some teams and get into the business. Do you know anything about that?
June Reddick: Evidently, yes. Oxen, evidently, were strong enough to carry the large tonnages, you
know, of freight. There were twelve oxen to a team, and since Deadwood was quite a thriving place, at
that time, it was probably gold and everything else coming out of the hills, going to _______Center.
Bev Pechan: Then shipments would come up the river to Ft. Pierre and they would bring that in.
June: Yeah. Yes. Uh-huh. Of course, there weren't really that many railroads in this area, at the time.
Probably, Ft. Pierre was a railhead. I'm not too sure of the dates.
Bev Pechan: It was about 1907, I think, when the railroads came to Rapid City. 19'5, 19'7.
June: Yeah, and it was 1895 they teamed up in Utah. The east met west in Utah in 1895, and so that was
the first cross-country railroad they ever had.
Bev Pechan: Okay, and then in Rapid City, what kinds of things did they encounter, that you recall
hearing about, as far as businesses and trends? What was going on, at that time?
June Reddick: Well, Duhamel's had a huge trading post. They then called it a store. It was the Duhamel
Trading Post, and you could get anything from saddles, Western clothes, and furniture. All my family's
furniture came out of Duhamel's. I think stores, as we know them now, didn't exist at all, you know?
Groceries came in such large bags, or sacks, you know, that you probably couldn't have gotten a 5pound bag of anything. 100 pounds of this, 100 pounds of that, 100 pounds of beans, flour, sugar,
coffee. It was a lot different lifestyle.

�Bev Pechan: Most people couldn't get to town on a regular basis to shop, for one thing.
June Reddick: Twice a year.
Bev Pechan: Twice a year.
June Reddick: Grocery shopping was twice a year, and then you had to worry about a blizzard, you
know, running into a blizzard or something in the summer that was pretty severe. Always a team and a
wagon. I remember the team and wagon going every place. The family went, always, in a team and
wagon, until sometime in the '30s. That was our first, ever car. Then came the war, and rationing, and
you couldn't get gas enough to go anywhere, in your car, so you had to plan your grocery shopping
around your gas availability.
Bev Pechan: And rely on the gardens, which we were talking just a little bit earlier, about the
Depression. Let's talk about that, a little bit, about how you couldn't grow anything.
June Reddick: Well, we planted. My mother and I always planted a good garden, but as soon as anything
green came up, you know, the grasshoppers were like a cloud, over it. Then there were beetles. One
year, the beetles that gave you a water blister if they bit you. You had a big water blister. Ants. They
called them army ants, and they'd just go in a straight line. They didn't spread like the ants we see,
nowadays. These army ants just marched right in a straight line. I remember those real well.
Bev Pechan: Wow.
June Reddick: They were a big ant, too.
Bev Pechan: They were, okay.
June Reddick: So, we fought the insects terribly, without any chemicals. We didn't even have anything to
spray flies with, when I was a kid, and flies were a problem because the barns, you know, were close to
the house, and my mother kept trying to keep the screen door closed but we had a big family. So the
flies were always a big problem, for everybody, and the flies, at night, migrate to the ceiling. I don't think
they do that, now. I never see a fly on the ceiling.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, I have, at my house.
June Reddick: Back then, in the 30s, the ceiling would be black with flies, at night.
Bev Pechan: Did you just swat them with whatever you could find?
June Reddick: Yeah. Mom would take a dish towel and chase him around. Yeah. It was a constant battle.
Bev Pechan: Did you have mosquitos, at that time?
June Reddick: Well, I don't remember ever worrying about mosquitos. I think we had so much bigger
things to worry about. Of course, we didn't have the mosquito-borne illnesses that they have now.

�Bev Pechan: Right. I wonder if people ever got sick from flies infesting things. Did you ever hear of any
cases like that?
June Reddick: No, I didn't. I know it would spoil meat real easily. If you left your meat out, they would
lay eggs in it, you know, and it would get maggots in it. I think they were just mostly destructive to food,
but they surely were a dirty thing. You didn't want them in, you know, in your food.
Bev Pechan: Yeah. A nuisance buzzing around your head, too. Let's talk a little bit more about the
grasshoppers.
June Reddick: Well, they were eating fence posts. They ate the wood around your windowsills. I don't
know, they couldn't find enough green stuff, I guess, because they were thick on fence posts, telephone
poles. They were just on everything, and year after year they were there.
Bev Pechan: I had heard stories even about them eating clothes on the clothes line.
June Reddick: Yeah, they got in the house real bad. Yeah. So I had nightmares about grasshoppers, and
sometimes they were big, you know. The big jumbos, we called them. Sometimes, those things were
just...it was just like battling a mouse or rat or something.
Bev Pechan: Did they growl at you?
June: No, they spit at you.
Bev Pechan: They did?
June Reddick: Tobacco juice, yeah.
Bev Pechan: What about winters, during that time when you couldn't get out and couldn't get around?
How did you survive?
June Reddick: Well, we had just Colon wood for heat. There had to be a big wood pile, of course, before
winter set in. Then, my dad bought coal, 'cause I think there were railroads coming through Owanka,
when I was a little girl, that brought coal down, and unloaded coal around town, there. So, we had coal
for heat, and a wood stove to cook on. Someone had to get up pretty early in the morning to heat the
house, you know, and heat the water. It seems that people just had so many chores, you know. There
was no end of work and chores because you didn't have any conveniences of any kind.
Bev Pechan: And then all the kids had their own things that they had to do.
June Reddick: Yes, they did. They were busy either in the barns, or you know, a lot of outside work. I had
a lot of inside work. I was the only girl, so I had lots of work with my mother.
Bev Pechan: Did that interfere with being able to go to school?
June Reddick: Well, we got through our grades. Nobody flunked, but we didn't always get to school and
all.

�Bev Pechan: When times were a little bit better, what kinds of things did you do for entertainment? How
did you have fun, when you were younger?
June Reddick: Dances. There were dances, on Saturday nights. My folks played cards with neighbors, and
we would have friends in for card games. 'Course, we looked forward to coming to Rapid City, 'cause
they had dimes stores up and down Main St., and we'd get a hamburger under the Harney. That was a
big hotel that's down, it isn't there anymore, but we'd go down in to the Harney. For a dime, you could
get a wonderful hamburger. The theater that my Uncle Zack, Great Uncle Zack built, was a kids' theater.
They'd show these cereals.
Bev Pechan: That was the Rec's?
June Reddick: That was the Rec's. They would have a cliffhanger every Saturday, you know, somebody
would be tied to the railroad track, and you'd have to go the next Saturday, 'cause you didn't want that
poor girl to get run over.
Bev Pechan: Oh, it was a continuing series.
June Reddick: Yeah. So those were the entertainment things, plus my brother, oldest brother, had an
orchestra
Bev Pechan: Oh, okay.
June Reddick: Larry. Larry Waterson had a little orchestra, and played around Rapid and all the
surrounding towns. We'd try to get to some of the dances. Kids, 'course, didn't dance, they'd just run
around on the floor.
Bev Pechan: But there were no babysitters, back then.
June Reddick: No. They let us come along.
Bev Pechan: I see you've got the two notes, there, and the book open. What...?
June Reddick: This is all the history that my dad wrote about his early days, and he remembers his father
being in business with J.L. Robbins, in Rapid City, and they started the Robbins &amp; Stearns Lumber
Company. Did you...?
Bev Pechan: I'm familiar with the name, yeah.
June Reddick: Are you? It's not there now, of course, but Robbins &amp; Stearns was one of the well-known
lumber companies, and they had a big cattle operation until the blizzard of...it was probably in the
1800s. But there was a terrible blizzard. It was sort of like this October blizzard we had almost a year
ago.

�Bev Pechan: That might have been the 1888 blizzard.
June Reddick: Probably, and it wiped out the whole business, so after that, my grandfather just raised
sheep, and he would get on a boxcar and take his sheep to Sioux City, Iowa, to sell them. He had a lot of
trouble with the cattlemen around. My dad remembers, when he'd come home, he was cut up, pretty
bad. They had a big fight over the sheep and cattle, and he used a pitchfork, and the other guy had a
black snake-whip, so they fought for near to the death, over land or cattle rights or whatever. My
grandmother, she was quite a person. She was a midwife, this is her. She was a midwife for the area,
and after the baby was born, she'd stay and help the mother, and she took care of 10 of her own, but
she still was a midwife, and never a doctor in the house. She took care of all her kids, just like a doctor
would, and I remember her very well. When I was little, we'd visit her, and she had a lump the size of a
lemon on her arm, stuck up like this. A broken bone that was never fixed. Never set. See, doctors
probably weren't even around.
Bev Pechan: Probably pretty rare.
June Reddick: That was the same way with preachers. They had a traveling preacher that would come
through on a horseback, and he would have services and then move on to another area. You know, they
just didn't have a regular church. Not like the Little House on the Prairie shows, banks, and churches,
and schools. But these people didn't have that. My dad, when he was growing up, didn't have anything
like that. An old country school, but I believe he just went, probably, six years or so.
Bev Pechan: And what do you remember about going to school?
June Reddick: My school?
Bev Pechan: Yeah. June Reddick: Well, my school was fairly...I think they had a heating plant, no, no, a
light plant, that provided the electricity, so we had electric lights, in my school. We had a furnace,
because the teacher would stand over it, on cold days, and her skirt would go up like Marilyn Monroe. I
remember that!
Bev Pechan: Bet the boys liked that.
June Reddick: At PTA's, the kids could go and play around anywhere they wanted to, in the schoolbuilding, 'cause their parents would be in the PTA meeting. We'd hide out in some of the darkest
corners you'd ever imagine. It was quite a nice school, but it quit having high school in 1942.
Bev Pechan: Okay, now which school was this? Where was it?
June Reddick: Owanka.
Bev Pechan: Owanka.
June Reddick: School. The high school part of it shut down, never to open again, after World War II
broke out. A lot of teachers were signing up for service. Even women went in the whacks and the waves.
The men were signing up for, you know, branches. I guess a lot of the high school age boys were signing
up or being drafted, so we didn't have high school, and I was ready to go to high school. The kids had to
go to Underwood, New Underwood, and board somewhere, in order to get high school.

�Bev Pechan: Did you remember anything about, during the war, did kids at your school have to go up
and get on the roof of the building or some high place, with binoculars, and look for airplanes? Do you
remember anything about that?
June Reddick: I remember we were really interested in the types of airplanes. We could identify if it was
a P-38, you know, that had a double-tiered lodge. We could tell those, and bombers, we could the
bombers apart. That was when the first started the air base at Rapid City.
Bev Pechan: Okay. I remember a friend from Bennett County said that one of the things they had to do
was kids had to take turns going up on the roof and looking for foreign planes, you know, flying over.
Then, I suppose, identifying the other ones, too.
June Reddick: Would that have been in South Dakota?
Bev Pechan: Yeah, Bennett County.
June Reddick: Oh!
Bev Pechan: Down around Winner, down in that area. So I was just wondering if that was something
that was through all the schools, at that time. They really had a pretty significant...and for some reason,
Rapid City and this area, which you would think was out in the middle of nowhere, was considered a
strategic place for espionage. They were very, very careful about watching bridges, because they figured
there were a lot of materials moving out to the war plants on the West Coast, and they were passing
through South Dakota, so they had bridge monitors to make sure there were no explosives under the
bridges. They monitored the airports, and like I said, the school-kids, they had them up on the roof,
watching for things.
June Reddick: I don't remember any of that.
Bev Pechan: Okay.
June Reddick: It could've happened, I don't know.
Bev Pechan: Okay. But they wanted you to identify the planes, though. I mean, so that you knew.
June Reddick: Well, we just did. I remember, my brothers...my dad had very bad eyesight. He was very
near-sighted, so my brothers would always tell Dad what kind of a plane that was, going over. But that
airbase being so nearby, we could've very well been some kind of a strategic area, I don't know. Then
the troop trains went through, a lot. The troop trains would've been soldiers, probably, mostly, and we'd
see them go through Owanka, all the soldiers looking out the window, waving, you know. So, troop
trains were really going across the country. That was after 1941.
Bev Pechan: I suppose the same thing, this was kind of the east-west route to the different bases,
jumping off what you said for that.
June Reddick: I don't know why they would've had to cross South Dakota, unless going to Omaha. See,
Omaha was a big...Indian boy that was drafted here in Rapid, or in South Dakota, went to Omaha to get
enlisted.

�Bev Pechan: The only thing I remember about the east-west is that so many of them worked in the
aircraft factories, and things like that, on the west coast, so there was a lot of traffic going through.
June Reddick: The railroad traffic picked up a lot, during the war.
Bev Pechan: Tell me a little bit about the book you brought, now.
June Reddick: Okay. This was written by different ones. They would ask a person to write, you know, like
what he remembered. My dad wrote this about his family, and then they had different ones, like the
lady in Owanka that had a newspaper, Gertrude...Gertie...Gertie Willhoid, or something like that. She
contributed, in here. Just different ones, you know, that had history of the area, and then gave, also,
their family pictures to be put in.
June Reddick: Through the Years.
Bev Pechan: Through the Years, okay.
June Reddick: I think it covers Pennington County, pretty much. Before 1960s
Bev Pechan: Those books are getting to be very valuable, 'cause most families, they don't get rid of
them, so you don't very often find them. I've seen some of these in the three, four, five-hundred range.
June Reddick: Have you?
Bev Pechan: If you can find them.
June Reddick: I think some people would probably pay that, to look up their relative.
Bev Pechan: Sure.
June Reddick: And have pictures, like their school pictures in here, where my little brother, and my
youngest brothers, in some of the school pictures in here.
Bev Pechan: Okay, tell me about once you got through school. Where were you and what did you do?
June Reddick: All during the war?
Bev Pechan: Well, yeah. Then when you were out of school and starting out on your own.
June Reddick: Well, all during the war, I wrote to my brothers, 'cause I had three that were in actual
combat. Ted was a sailor in the Pacific, Tracy was with General Hodges in Europe, and Larry enlisted and
was taken into the Navy, and then the basic training, somehow during basic training, his knees, or
something, gave out. I don't know if it was knees, or ankles, or what it was, but he couldn't stand the
rigorous basic training, and he washed out. So he came back to Rapid City, and those were the years he
had his orchestra, then, all during the war, and he let me play in the orchestra. I was a piano player.
Bev Pechan: Oh, really?
June Reddick: Yeah.

�Bev Pechan: You played around Rapid City?
June Reddick Yeah. We played as far east as Phillip and Midland, and up in the hills. Some of those were
quite interesting. People came to those dances in the Black Hills with boots that you could've stomped a
turkey to death. Gosh, they were huge. I had to stay overnight, for some reason, in a place in the Black
Hills, one night, after a dance, and there was gravel in the bed. They gave me a bed to sleep in, and I got
in, and someone had gotten into that bed with their shoes on, and there was actual gravel in the bed.
Bev Pechan: Wow.
June Reddick: My brother couldn't get me 'til the next day. I think, that day, he had had to split the
band. He had two dances booked for the same night. He sent me and a fiddle player to play in the Black
Hills, and he took the rest of the band somewhere else, and played. There was an old dance hall they
called 'The Rainbow Ballroom', in Rapid. It was out Mt. Rushmore Road, a big Quonset hut. They called
it, 'The Rainbow.' We played in there a lot, during the war. One night, we were in a real bad accident,
just going to the dance. Somebody came out of a side street and hit us head-on, right on Mt. Rushmore
Road, which we called...we didn't call it Mt. Rushmore Road, then. Eighth Street. The instruments were
on top, up above, and they slid down. My brother went up into the windshield, and the driver of the car
hit me in the jaw with one of his fists, and I had a black and blue jaw for a long time. My pants were just
shredded, 'cause I went way under the dashboard, but we went and played the dance. Kind of beat up,
but we played.
Bev Pechan: What kind of music were you playing, at that time? Was it the stuff, modern, from the day?
June Reddick: Yeah, Larry liked the big bands.
Bev Pechan: Big bands.
June Reddick: He didn't really like Western music. Now, the brother that was in the Army loved Western
music, and he collected records of all the older Western artists that there were. To his death, he still had
a lot of those records, like Al Dexter. I mean, the oldest, oldest, of the West.
Bev Pechan: Crystal Bag and Mama.
June Reddick: Yeah. So our family wasn't always, you know. We kind of had a variety.
Bev Pechan: How did you learn to play the piano?
June Reddick: Just by ear. Dad bought an old ten-dollar piano at a farm auction, brought it home, and
my little brother was the best on that. He could play before he could reach the floor, and he just
watched me and learned from me. He played at the ________________tent show came through. It was
a vaudeville. He’d win the amateur contest, every year. It was only a dollar prize, but he'd win it, so he
was just naturally talented.
Bev Pechan: Remember going to any of the old stockman's days, or...no. What kind of celebrations, in
Rapid, do you remember? Different things that took place, special promotions.
June Reddick: Coming to Rapid?
Bev Pechan: Yeah.

�June Reddick: Okay. We went to Belle Fourche for rodeos. We went to Deadwood for rodeos. There
were rodeos in Owanka, but they weren't very big. They were just very local. Rodeos were kind of scary.
I didn't really like them much, 'cause I knew the boys that were on those horses, and I was always
worried that they'd get hurt, which they did.
Bev Pechan: You remember any old-time cowboys, like Pete Lemley or Frank Hart, or Russ Madison, or
any of those?
June Reddick: Russ Madison was my landlord, at one time.
Bev Pechan: Oh, he was?
June Reddick: Here in Rapid.
Bev Pechan: Tell me about Russ.
June Reddick: He chased me around the table, trying to get a kiss, and I was married. Yeah, Russ, he was
quite a character. Big black hat.
Bev Pechan: Yeah.
June Reddick: Pete Lemley, my brother, Ted, worked for him. Just, you know, doing the handling stock
and breaking horses. Let's see. In the rodeos, there was the Connolly boys, from Quinn, were very good
Bronc riders. We saw Steve Connolly break his leg at a rodeo in Owanka. The bone came right through
the boot.
Bev Pechan: Oh my goodness.
June Reddick: Yes, and he was crippled for the rest of his life. He wasn't ever really, you know, healed.
Yeah. Those boys didn't know the meaning of fear. Ted was kind of wild and crazy, that way, my brother.
That's the one that's alive to this day. He's 90 years old, and I called him, the other day, for quite a bit of
this stuff. He told me quite a bit of things, like the bull train, you know, from Ft. Pierre to Deadwood. My
dad...have you ever heard of Vanishing Trails?
Bev Pechan: Yes.
June Reddick: Okay, my dad was part of that.
Bev Pechan: Okay, with Lionel Jensen, and some of those fellas?
June Reddick: Yeah.
Bev Pechan: Okay.
June Reddick: Exactly. My dad, that whole big fleet of cars, you know, that would follow him around to
different locations? My dad was the one that they had around Owanka. When they came to Owanka, he
gave the talk on the microphone.
Bev Pechan: That was in the early 60s, I believe.

�June Reddick: Yes, it was.
Bev Pechan: Go on. Oh, Dakota City, you mentioned Dakota City.
June Reddick: Yeah.
Bev Pechan: I have old postcard of it, but I never knew exactly where it was, so you said it was east of
Rapid?
June: Reddick I believe it must've been somewhere east of, like, Scenic and Interior, down into that part
of South Dakota.
Bev Pechan: Okay.
June Reddick: Not probably in the Badlands.
Bev Pechan: Okay.
June Reddick: A little east of that.
Bev Pechan: Okay. I guess I was thinking it was farther north, but I don't know why I thought that.
June Reddick: I don't...I have never been there, so I really can't say.
Bev Pechan: And the Vanishing Trails, what was the concept behind that? The fact that the towns were
all disappearing, and they just wanted to go and revisit?
June Reddick: Exactly similar to what you're doing now. To try to get some of the old people, old-timers,
the people who have lived through those early days, like my dad remembered herding sheep, down in
the valley where Owanka was built. He herded sheep, as a boy, before they had a town of Owanka, and
just things like that, you know, different big blizzards that have been through, and all that type of thing.
Bev Pechan: Yeah. A lot of unusual things that took place, I think. I can remember reading, back in some
of the research I did about, you know, bar fights that went bad. There were, actually, a few murders, out
there.
June Reddick: We had a murder in Owanka.

�Bev Pechan: Okay, what was that about?
June Reddick: My brother, Larry, witnessed that. He was downtown at the time, and the man that ran
the hardware store was named Ed Hawks, and he had guns in his hardware store. Well, his brother came
in from the ranch, and they had been willed the ranch property, from their folks, when their folks died,
and that's what they were fighting about. Ed wanted to sell the ranch. Claude didn't want to sell, 'cause
Claude was living on it. Well, when Claude walked out the store, the hardware store, walked down the
steps, Ed came behind him and shot him in the back. Killed him. Larry saw that, and Larry came home,
just whiter than a sheet. 'Course, Ed was arrested, put in jail, but he was a Mason, and the Mason's got
him off. He had the best lawyers in Rapid, and how they could claim self-defense, I'll never know, but
that's what they claimed. But Claude was shot in the back.
Bev Pechan: Approximately what year was that?
June Reddick: Okay, that would've had to been before the war, so that would've probably been about
'39 or '40.
Bev Pechan: What about, like with liquor, was that a problem, on the countryside?
June Reddick: Well, Grandpa, it's right in here, when Grandpa gave the land for the town of Owanka,
Grandpa Joe Waterson, he stated and he stipulated: no bars in town. And there never was a bar. But his
grandsons, my brothers, would take booze to the dances and sell it. Oh, he'd have turned over in his
grave. But they bought that Bar-X stuff. It was a big thing like this, a big, round jug of thing, and it put
liquor in it. It was kind of like a grapefruit. Thick, too. It was thick stuff. Then, right on our kitchen table,
they would put liquor in that punch, made it something they'd sell at the dances. Oh gosh. Then there
was fights at all the dances, 'cause somebody'd get liquored out.
Bev Pechan: Right. That's what I remember reading about.
June: My brothers were doing that for money.
Bev Pechan: Well, I guess, you know, you have to...that would've been bootlegging.
June Reddick: It was, but no law in Owanka. The sheriff would come down, if it was a bad enough, you
know, something real serious.
Bev Pechan: Uh-huh. Did people, pretty much, police themselves? You probably didn't have much for
law enforcement, did you?
June Reddick: There was nobody in Owanka with any authority. Everybody was on their merit, you
know, and there wasn't too much crime going on, as far as, you know, just kids acting up.
Bev Pechan: Well, I suppose people were too busy with all the chores they had to do. No modern
conveniences. Just took you from sun to sundown to get that taken care of.
June Reddick: Yeah. There were just fistfights, in that time period.
Bev Pechan: What about when you were spending time in Rapid City? Were there any special events
that took place that you looked forward to every year? Was shopping an interesting thing, for you?

�What do you remember, as an, oh, say, coming into womanhood? The kinds of things you did at that
time that would appeal to, you know, girls, or females, or whatever.
June Reddick: Alright. Well, Owanka had a good band. Our school band was real good. It was
outstanding, because we had a man named Walter B. Nelson, and he later came to Rapid City and was
hired, here, in the Rapid schools, to teach band. But he had the best little band going, down in Owanka,
and we would come up on whatever day that is in May, and they'd have the parades, and our band
would march. I forget what day that would've been. We just knew we had to come up and march in that
band.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, was it...they called it what, 'Band Day'?
June Reddick: Yeah, probably.
Bev Pechan: Okay.
June Reddick: So, all the little outstanding towns would, you know, bring their bands up. Then, we would
have a concert, later on, in the auditorium, where we could participate with other bands and kids from
all over. Also, we came up for things like Declamation contests. That was where you got up and said
things, you know, like, "The three Billy goat gruff." You know, that type of thing, for little kids. Or spelling
bees. We'd always come up to the auditorium and take part, with other schools. No, I didn't really look
forward to very much, other than the dime stores. I really liked the dime stores.
Bev Pechan: Tell me about the dime stores. They were always fun for me, too.
June Reddick: There was a Newberry's next to the Walworth's, and JC Penney’s were on Main Street,
and I think a bank on each corner, but between Newberry's and Walworth's, that was our fun time. We
just loved going in there and looking at everything.
Bev Pechan: Anything special that came to mind?
June Reddick: Makeup. We'd look at jewelry and make-up, and they would have a big hair oil display at
the front, and a light behind it, because hair oil was red and yellow bottles. Then the light shining behind
it was kind of pretty, like that. You know, right up there, where you see the light coming through
different colored glass? We didn't have any pretty things like that down home, and when they finally got
neon signs in Rapid, I thought they were something you could eat, like a popsicle.
Bev Pechan: Yeah?
June Reddick: To me, gee, they were beautiful. My first neon sign looked like a brick popsicle.
Bev Pechan: Oh, my gosh.
June Reddick: Then we looked forward to that Eminem show, every summer. They'd come down with
their big trucks and put up a big tent, and they did vaudeville.
Bev Pechan: In the dime stores, getting back to that again, now, what did they have for...they didn't
have all the brands they do now, but I can remember Tan Gee lipstick and Blue Walls perfume.

�June Reddick: Evening in Paris.
Bev Pechan: Evening in Paris, yeah.
June: Yankee Clover.
Bev Pechan: Don't remember that one, but yeah.
June Reddick: Oh, I wish you could still by Yankee Clover. That was such a good perfume. Yeah. And my
mother would get permanents, in Rapid. She had long, dark hair, but she'd get a permanent about once
a year. I never got one. I got naturally curly hair.
Bev Pechan: That was those machines that used to clamp onto your head with...
June Reddick: Heat.
Bev Pechan: Oh, yeah.
June Reddick: Yeah. Heat. Somehow, they'd put a big heating type of thing on there.
So then, when we were really poor, this was in the '30s and in the grasshopper era, we'd come to the
courthouse to get 'relief.' They didn't call it welfare, they called it 'relief,' and that was when you could
get your prunes and your beans and your grapefruit, canned salmon, and it really helped, too, you know,
because we weren't able to grow gardens, or anything. I'd watch my little brother, out on the lawn, and
mom and dad would go in and get relief.
Bev Pechan: That helped a lot of people through. Was that through WPA, or any of those programs?
June Reddick: Well, they had WPA, but WPA just put men to work, building dams.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, there was PWA before that, then it was WPA.
June Reddick: Yeah. That was to put men to work, building. They built a lot of useless dams, I think,
around. Dad worked on some of that. He'd take the horses out of the...we'd see him go out of the yard
with a horse, horses, and down there at the dam, he'd hook up to a______. Do you know what a
________is?
Bev Pechan: Is that like that big bucket thing that they'd...?
June Reddick: It's kind of a flat scoop thing. It's kind of like a huge scoop shovel.
Bev Pechan: Yeah. It was horse-drawn.
June Reddick: Yeah. The horses are the business that pulls the scoop, so they move dirt that way. So that
was Dad's job. Then I had a brother went in the CCC's when he was about 17, and he was up in Custer.
Right around where Custer is, they had a camp. I think they built some bridges up in the Black Hills.
Bev Pechan: Yes, they did. Bridges, dams, pigtail bridges, they did. That all helped out.
June Reddick: Some of the stuff the tourist's pay money to see, now, I suppose those little CCC boys did.

�Bev Pechan: Yeah.
June Reddick: They were starting Mt. Rushmore, back in the '30s, too. They were just getting started.
Bev Pechan: That was tough. During the Depression, there was no money, in the first place, and I know
people thought that Borglum was crazy.
June Reddick: I think he had some money from the east. Some of the big promoters in the east were
putting money into that.
Bev Pechan: The government didn't jump on board for quite a while.
June Reddick: No, and there were some terrible forest fires, too, back in the '30s. The Black Hills would
catch on fire, and someone would drive a big cattle truck. They didn't have semis, then. A cattle truck
was just a cab and a big box with railings all around, and they'd load that up with farm boys, and the
farm boys would go up and fight the fires. So they'd come through our yard, you know, and we wouldn't
see our boys for about four, five days. I don't know what they paid them, but they did pay them.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, there were some bad fires, back then.
June Reddick: Yeah, back in the '30s.
Bev Pechan: Well, you didn't probably have a choice, either. If you wanted to survive, you had to help
each other out.
June Reddick: Yeah. Yeah, if it was coming close to a town or something, you know, they'd really draft
you into the job of getting that out. It must've been hard, 'cause you know, they fight fire, now, from the
air, with those chemicals, and dropping water by helicopter, and stuff. They didn't have anything like
that. Just shovels.
Bev Pechan: Right, and then the only country, and that was hard to stop it, too, once they got going.
Some of those places...what do you remember about the Rapid City flood?
June Reddick: No, I wasn't here. My brother, that's 90 years old, now, Brenner, lost his wife. She came in
for her parents. They were living right there, in east Rapid City, where the old beanbag used to be. Well,
where...what's that street that comes down the hill, East Boulevard? Anyway, her parents had a little
home, down in there, and she was listening to the radio and thought maybe she better come in and get
them, take them out to the valley. So she just got in to get her parents, and that darn dam broke. You
know, that wall of water went through Rapid, about then, and she just was right ahead of it. Got her
mother out to her place.
Bev Pechan: Terrible thing. When impacted by Canyon Lake Dam, did you know Mr._____, the
superintendent? The school superintendent for Pennington County for a long time, and then he would
up working as a timekeeper on that dam, when he...oh, I'm trying to think what year that would've
been. But anyway, he was superintendent of the schools for a long time, and then the Klan came into
Rapid City.
June Reddick: Ku Klux Klan?

�Bev Pechan: Mm-hmm, and they were very active. They went to people on the school board, and they
went to him, and they said, "We want you to fire all the Catholic teachers."
June Reddick: Really? : He wouldn't do it, and so they blackballed him, and there were 11 or 12 kids in
the family. He couldn't find work for about 3 years, and then he finally got a job, working as a
timekeeper on the Canyon Lake Dam, but I know he said that the family would've starved, if he brought
them a side of beef. You know, there was just no work to be had, but that was a pretty significant time.
June Reddick: No, I hadn't even heard that the Ku Klux Klan was...
Bev Pechan: They were very active.
June Reddick: Were they?
Bev Pechan: Yup, thinking it was a good group to belong to. A lot of prominent business people in town,
names that you'd recognize, belonged, and I guess I had no idea. But they were really active here. They
were really active in Sturgis and in Belle Fourche, in particular.
June Reddick: Boy, I had no idea, 'cause I thought they were mostly after blacks, you know, and there
weren't any blacks in Rapid.
Bev Pechan: No, there weren't blacks here, and then some of the other research I did; Billy Bacon was
the sheriff here, for a long time, was assassinated. From a lot of the stuff I looked through, maybe the
Klan did him away with, too, because they ran a candidate against him in the election, I think '28, and
then he just suddenly dropped out of the race. I'm not sure if the Klan candidate won, but I'm kind of
thinking he did.
June Reddick: I'll be darned.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, so lot of...
June Reddick: What got rid of them, finally? What made them leave?
Bev Pechan: I have no idea. I don't think they ever left, completely, but I don't know. Yeah, the
movement quit, in order. It really, kind of went away, for a while, but I know they have a Klanvention,
they called it, in Belle Fourche, in, I think, '24. They had them from all of the country, and Chuck Rambo
was a kind of an expert. He studied a lot about that.
June Reddick: Is that right? That's really news to me, about the Klan. I didn't know.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, but so that would've been about the same time we're talking about. What do you
have on your notes, there, that we haven't talked about?
June Reddick: Oh, this is what my brother told me about the oxen. He had the contract that took food,
or whatever, to the reservation, during the Wounded Knee outbreak. He was in the freighting business,
at that time. That was my Grandpa Joe.
Bev Pechan: Did he talk about Wounded Knee, at all?

�June Reddick: My brother didn't, no. He might know something about it, but he didn't talk about it. But
see, here's where he says he hauled freight to Wounded Knee in 1890, from Rapid.
Bev Pechan: Okay. That would've been the year of the battle.
June Reddick: Yeah, and it's hard to feature that they didn't have roads, you know. They didn't have
railroads, and 1860 was when the Pony Express was so active. 1850s was the Civil War, or 1860s. So I
mean, this was just raw, raw country, way behind the times. I remember in my schoolbooks, when I
would see pictures of little kids on sidewalks. You know, going to school, and having books, and walking
on sidewalks. What in the world was that, you know. I had never seen a sidewalk, until I got to Rapid
City. We didn't relate to anything that was, you know, sophisticated or modern.
Bev Pechan: Lot of changes. Seems once they started getting some industry, you know, electric lights
and things just went from there. Fast. It took centuries to build up these civilizations, and then you get a
few things like that. Of course, you get the automobile coming, and probably television changed the
world, more than anything, when it came in, because of all the telecommunications and things that have
spun off of that, now.
June Reddick: Well, they said that the flood, the 1973, was it, flood.
Bev Pechan: '72.
June Reddick: '72. They said that that changed Rapid City. The growth spurt started then. You always
had that feeling, before 1972, that Rapid was never going to grow. There were too many of that old
bunch that wanted to keep things just the way they were, you know. We kind of blamed them for never
having any growth, but boy, the growth sure took off, then.
Bev Pechan: Yeah. Yeah, now they're wishing it'd end. Well, I think we've pretty much covered a lot of
the things from your memory. It's always interesting to hear what somebody's own, individual part of
the overall picture is, I think, because I've heard things from you, today, that I hadn't heard from anyone
else, before. That's all part of that history that's just important that we record that. Anything else that
you have, that you'd like comment on?
June Reddick: No. I was afraid that I wouldn't, you know, have enough on Rapid City, but thankfully, you
were interested in just, you know, even average, everyday life in early South Dakota.
Bev Pechan: Yeah, that's the important part. You know, the historians can write down dates and places
and stuff, but it's the people who experience that makes the history. Thank you

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                    <text>David Enos: My name is David Enos I was born in 1939 in Rapid City SD. I've lived here all my&#13;
life except a few occasions. One was going to the Navy, the second going to college and thirdly I&#13;
lived in Kansas and I retired from the state of Kansas and when I retired I moved back to Rapid&#13;
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Kim Morey: Ok&#13;
and when they got married my dad started working for his father in law and learning the harness&#13;
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social security benefits and he left a family of I don't know how many children at home. There&#13;
were 6-8 and my father was trying to keep the harness shop open but Grandma kept going down&#13;
and taking money out of the cash register to buy the supplies to keep it going and to buy food&#13;
and stuff so they ended up having to close it so my dad having learned to be a saddle maker went&#13;
to work for Duhamel’s. At one time he told me Duhamel had over 60 saddle makers now I don't&#13;
know how accurate this is but that is what he told me and he worked there and he was the last&#13;
saddle maker that they laid off I think it was about 1953 and they used to make saddles and I&#13;
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little kid and I would sneak back there cause she used to yell and holler and make a lot of noise.&#13;
She scared me to death and I would try to sneak to the back of the store. Bill Blanton would&#13;
always be there and he would say hi and I would say Hi and I would get down the stairs. You&#13;
would go down the stairs and go back forward toward the front of the store. The whole basement&#13;
was full of saddles that are already prepared and made and there was a little stream that went&#13;
through the basement. It had a little bridge you could walk over the water just ran through the&#13;
basement. I would walk up to see my father and his bench. 3:01 right under what is the side walk&#13;
that used to have the round glass cylinders that let light in and that is where he worked in the&#13;
saddle shop. Now my grandfather ( I don't know if I should say this) there is a man that wrote a&#13;
book, his name is Dale Lewis and I know him, called Duhamel’s and its a little paper book and&#13;
has picture of Bud Duhamel on the front and I remember Bud Duhamel&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Dale Lewis you said wrote the book&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: Yeah he lived in Wasta, and I was going to talk to him but he passed away before I&#13;
was ever able to talk to him but I remember Bud Duhamel on Saturday night would have Indians&#13;
come out in front of the hotel and they'd dance and do their traditional Indian dances. All the&#13;
&#13;
�tourists would come out and they would all usher into the store. I remember that, I remember&#13;
seeing that happen. Well anyway in Lewis's book on page 83 there is a picture of my grandfather&#13;
and my father. My grandfather was 54 or 55 when he died.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Did you tell me your father's first name?&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: Otto Enos and my grandfather’s name was Jacob Schriner. That's a problem because&#13;
some of the family ... there's a big argument in the family whether it’s Schreiner or Schriner. Big&#13;
discussion at funerals&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: and you are the "I".&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: My mother would use the "EI" so anyway back to the in Dale Lewis’s book I&#13;
showed this picture on page 83 my father and grandfather said it was the Duhamel Saddle shop.&#13;
Well it was not the Duhamel saddle shop. Like I said I never had a chance to talk to Dale&#13;
because he passed away. Because my grandfather in the photo is obviously in his 50's and&#13;
whenever he worked at Duhamel’s he was a young man. And he is not young in this picture. And&#13;
my father was there and my father was never there and my grandfather was a young man. So the&#13;
shop that he has in his book is my grandfather’s shop and the Sweeney building not the Duhamel&#13;
building. I always remember that and I always think about it but I never had a chance to correct&#13;
that.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: I guess the saddles were still pretty much all the ranchers and farmers&#13;
&#13;
David Enos: Yeah the Duhamel saddle shop was a very famous saddle and all the MidwestSouth Dakota, Dakotas and Wyoming they were very famous. Diane and I saw one.. We were up&#13;
walking and we saw one in the window at a second hand store in Deadwood and I looked at the&#13;
saddle and I knew obviously it was one my Dad made. Because he was the last one that worked&#13;
there and the way it looked with the basket stamp they used was the way my dad used to make&#13;
it. If I had the money I should have bought it but I didn't.. but I have cousins who have saddles&#13;
that were made by Jake Schreiner and the old saddles have name in the back or on the front part&#13;
of the seat the canal or on the back of the seat. I have two cousins that have Jake Schreiner&#13;
stamped on the back of the seat6:39 One is a cousin that lives in Hill City and owns Holiday Inn&#13;
Express and he has one up on display and another cousin lives in Nevada and she's got one in her&#13;
&#13;
�living room. That's about all I can think of on the saddle business unless you have questions. Oh&#13;
the firehouse Diane just reminded me and Jeannie mentioned it too. I don't know if you have&#13;
ever seen that picture of the old fire engine on front of the firehouse.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: The one that is in the restaurant now?&#13;
&#13;
David Enos: It used to be on the wall as a wallpaper ok well I have a copy of the original picture&#13;
and I actually remember that fire truck parked perpendicular to main street on the east side of&#13;
that restaurant where that mural was that had the picture. I remember seeing that old fire engine&#13;
that had a steering wheel on the back where you steered the wheels- great big long thing.&#13;
Anyway the picture was taken in 1933 and on that firetruck a lot of downtown businessmen&#13;
names are written above each one of them. And one of them is Jake Schreiner, my grandfather.&#13;
He is the only one in the whole picture has a right leg up on the rear wheel. You go to that&#13;
picture and see his right leg up on the wheel. That is Jake Schreiner who was my grandfather. By&#13;
the way he died, I never knew him, He died in '34 or '35 so I never knew him. I was born in '39&#13;
so I didn't know him. I remember this George Buckingham listed there .. the names I remember&#13;
by reading the picture and Roy Doherty and he used to be mayor of Rapid City. In fact his son&#13;
was a friend of mine in highschoo1. I went to high school with him with Pat Doherty.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Is he still around?&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: He passed away about a year ago.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: That's one of the reasons we are doing this is we are all going to do that sometime.&#13;
It's the only way out. Can I ask you about the fire station a little bit more? Obviously you&#13;
remember it as a fire station. A friend of mine, her father is .. I think he is in his mid-90's or so&#13;
and he was a fireman in Rapid and we used to have lunch every once in a while and we went to&#13;
the Firehouse once I remember. And we sat back where you go in that is the main entrance to the&#13;
restaurant if you go back angle back to the right....&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: That's where the mural was on the wall. Yeah&#13;
&#13;
�Kim Morey: Yeah. He told me that was the morgue. That we were eating in the morgue.&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: Ummm I question that. I mean he may know better than I do but I know&#13;
that Behrens Furniture next door adjacent to that was a furniture store and that was Behrens&#13;
Mortuary originally&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Right, OK. I wonder if maybe that was the connection he was making.&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: I think they were adjacent to each other. Unless the Rapid City Fire Department&#13;
expanded and took over part of that building but if you look at the outside they are two separate&#13;
buildings.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah Behrens mortuary I think most everybody is familiar with. Oh yeah...&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: My whole family&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: The furniture store is something I think ...&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: It was a furniture combined with a mortuary. And they used to be located on 8th St.&#13;
and Kansas City on the northwest corner is where they used to be and then they sold that and&#13;
moved out to where they are now. So I don't know about that being a morgue. It could be&#13;
adjacent to the morgue I think. The only other thing I can think about about the firehouse is I&#13;
used to have a dog my pet was a cocker spaniel named Pepper and I used to play with it but I was&#13;
busy playing with the guys a lot and I kind of neglected him. I didn't play with him a lot. He got&#13;
to roaming around a lot and he started hanging out at the firehouse. They were feeding him and&#13;
petting him and taking care of him. He got so he never came home anymore and I actually saw&#13;
him sitting on the fire truck as they went down the road. They took my dog. But it was my fault&#13;
that I didn't play with him enough.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: That's Rapid City. 11:23&#13;
&#13;
�Dave Enos: But he used to just... See I just lived up.. well you can see my house where I lived&#13;
was just above the Civic Center I don't know if you remember 6th street, were you here in '78,&#13;
no 6th street used to go straight where 6th street is now going north up the hill at a Y went off to&#13;
the right and left then it went off to the right and you made another left turn it became Farlow&#13;
you went off to the left and made a right turn, it became Dilger. Right at the very crest of that&#13;
hill, the very top is where I lived. You can see my house from the Civic Center today. And I sled&#13;
down the hill and we always used to also ... oh I shouldn't tell you this.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: It's just us.&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: They used to have a city bus line that I went to Garfield grade school which is up on&#13;
Dilger and in the wintertime and it was snowing ... the bus would come by and stop to pick up&#13;
somebody at the corner, we'd run up and grab a hold of the bumper and squat down and hang&#13;
onto it and it would pull us all the way up north on Farlow then over and come back and when&#13;
we got in front of the school we let go. And we got a ride to school behind the bus. Oh I tell you&#13;
another thing about that. Up there where I lived at the top of on Farlow at the very southernmost&#13;
point you can get on Farlow they were building a house across the street from where I lived. It is&#13;
there today. It's a real tall house. Sean who used to have a hardware store lives over it. I was a&#13;
three story buildings there and just to the north of it there was a Quonset house that's got a&#13;
curved roof and when I was coming home from Garfield one day I see getting on Farlow a whole&#13;
bunch of people standing there and they were building that house. And there was an ambulance&#13;
there so I run down there real quick to see what's going on and I crawl between the legs of the&#13;
people to get up in front to see what they are looking at and there was a grave. When they built&#13;
the house they ran into a grave. there was a skeleton laying there and for all the rest of my life&#13;
I've never walk on that side of the street as a kid it scared the holy dickens out of me. The old&#13;
skeleton laying there. And it was that big old long leather coat it was like paper and it was ugly.&#13;
Anyway I don't know if they ever figured out who it was.. nobody knew who it was they used to&#13;
say that's one of the guys they hung up on hangman's hill but I don't think so. I can tell you&#13;
another thing about Duhamel’s. Speaking of Hangman's Hill, my Dad said and I am just hearsay, I don't know how accurate it is.. what he told me that the old guys used to come down to his&#13;
shop when he was working and they would sit there and visit in the basement of Duhamel’s&#13;
Saddle shop. 14:00&#13;
Well my Dad was working there they kind of hung out and talked and visited like I do now at the&#13;
coffee shop with all these other guys. And there was guys that come down there and there was&#13;
this one old guy by the name of Mike Babiew. And I don't know how to spell it or anything like&#13;
that but they call him Mike Babiew and newspaper people and journalists and historians would&#13;
come down and talk to him because according to my father he was one of the guys that helped&#13;
cut those guys down on Hangman's Hill and buried them. And they were always asking him&#13;
where they buried them. He wouldn't tell them. He wouldn't say where. He was just stubborn I&#13;
&#13;
�guess. He wouldn't tell them a thing. My Dad said when there's nobody around there like that,&#13;
they sat there and talked about it. He said they just took them over to the west side of the hill and&#13;
buried alongside the hill. Took them off the tree and buried them on the side of the hill there.&#13;
Right alongside the hill below the tree. I don't know how factual that is but that's what he told&#13;
me.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah, did he ever make any comment about the few people that say the tree that is&#13;
up there now is not actually the tree?&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: It isn't. No&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: And it isn't even really the location.&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: It is the location but I don't think it is the same tree. Reminding me about my&#13;
grandfather’s harness shop. When they were building Mt. Rushmore if you go there now they’ve&#13;
got on display all these chairs and slings that the men used to dangle on the faces when they were&#13;
working at Mt Rushmore. My grandfather made those. And every time you mention Gutzon&#13;
Borglum’s name. My grandmother was very upset keeping in mind that he died, my grandfather&#13;
died in '34 leaving her with 7, 8, 9 or 10 kids. However many they had I don't know... to feed and&#13;
she maintained he never paid her. He never paid the bill. And she was not very happy about&#13;
Gutzon Borglum. But I think now on his defense I think they tried to build Mt. Rushmore mostly&#13;
with donations and he probably considered it a donation. My grandmother didn't consider it a&#13;
donation. She wanted the money he never did pay. She always felt about him never paying the&#13;
bill.&#13;
&#13;
Kim Morey: So your father was an adult then when your grandfather died but there were several&#13;
younger siblings16:11&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: Not in ...&#13;
Kim Morey: Oh it was his father-in-law&#13;
Dave Enos: But my grandfather.. there was 13 in the family ... my mother was the oldest and&#13;
when he died in 1934 I've never sat down to figure out how many were still living at home and&#13;
&#13;
�how many were... and my mother was married, and second sister was married and number third&#13;
and the first and second ones was married and there was little kids I don't know&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah definitely the kind of extended family we don't see much anymore not&#13;
extended families just large families&#13;
Dave Enos: Yeah right and I don't know the sequence. Who’s oldest and who's youngest. know&#13;
who's the youngest and my mother was the oldest. The second and third oldest but after that I&#13;
don't know. Never bothered to figure that out.&#13;
Kim Morey: You said you left town for the Navy.&#13;
Dave Enos: Yes, and then I was oh golly. I don't know if I should say this or not but when I&#13;
joined the Navy, I went down to The Hole. You ever heard of The Hole?&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah, just this morning I heard about The Hole&#13;
Dave Enos: I was down to The Hole in fact I got a picture and I was telling the guys at breakfast&#13;
today I was going to talk to you and they said don't forget to bring you picture to show him the&#13;
picture of The Hole and I don't know what it is. One of them is my mother’s brother and one of&#13;
her sister’s husbands - Vance Crossberg and her brother Walter and I don't know which one is&#13;
which.. you can't make them out.. 3 guys sitting on the rail there... What was I going to say about&#13;
The Hole? Oh I was down there I graduated high school. I was playing snooker... was just not&#13;
cool to play pool. We played Snooker. Any way I was playing snooker with Lonnie Burton and&#13;
he said let's go join the Marines. I said OK let's go. It was in October and I got out of high school&#13;
in June.&#13;
Kim Morey: What year?&#13;
Dave Enos: 1958 so we walked up to the post office on 8th street ... we go upstairs.. the first door&#13;
was the Navy, the second door the Marines, I said Lonnie let's go talk to the Navy then we will&#13;
go talk to the Marines and we'll decide which one we go into. He said no, no I am going to talk&#13;
to the Marines. I said ok you go there, I'll go in the Navy we'll come out then we'll decide which&#13;
one to do. He said ok. I go into the Navy, and when I came out I joined the Navy. When he came&#13;
out he joined the Marines.&#13;
Kim Morey: (laughter) There was no getting back together to talk about it.&#13;
Dave Enos: Then a little more on this same story. We were in boot camp in San Diego, Ca.&#13;
and they had a football game. They took us to a football game. One half of the stadium was the&#13;
navy and half was the marines and I am up going to the bathroom by the urinal and I hear&#13;
someone say Enos you son of a ____ and there is Lonnie Burton standing there. What are you&#13;
doing? Then the drill instructor came in and he got all military. I got the heck out of there&#13;
because it was no one ... I didn't want to have anything to do with that guy so I got out of there. It&#13;
was 30 years later I was at a class reunion and I was talking to Lonnie and he said Dave when I&#13;
saw you they didn't let me go into the Marines when I joined in Rapid City. I said what do you&#13;
&#13;
�mean I saw you there you can't mean I'm dreaming that. He says they wouldn't let me in because&#13;
I'd been in Plankington. So he said I think it was Bob Leonard took him out on the side of Rapid&#13;
City. He hitchhiked to California to his brother, joined the Marines there, and that’s how he got&#13;
into the Navy. I found it out 30 years later .....back to Rapid City.&#13;
Kim Morey: So The Hole, can you tell me...I suspected after the first time I heard it ...well is it&#13;
named after somebody or whatever and then Ron described where it was.. Oh yeah I know that&#13;
place. Is it named The Hole because....&#13;
Dave Enos: It was always The Hole, always The Hole, That's the only thing I never knew it. I&#13;
don't know of any other name. Now wait there might have been another name they called it but&#13;
nobody referred to it. I can't remember.. Recreation Center or something like that but we called it&#13;
The Hole. Earl Genzler was the guy that ran it when I was hanging out there. He was the former&#13;
Pennington County Sheriff and there were 2 lane 2 of you go down the stairs and there was an L&#13;
to the right going parallel with St. Joseph St. was 3 bowling lanes. Did they tell you that?&#13;
Kim Morey: We didn't get to that.&#13;
Dave Enos: There were three lanes and Earl would come and you get you 50 cents and if you&#13;
wanted to bowl he'd give you 50 cents to set the pins for him. They weren't automatic, you had to&#13;
set the pins. And then there was two rows of nothing but snooker tables. And Willie Masconi&#13;
was playing - you ever hear of him?&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah was he the one that went by Minnesota Fats?&#13;
Dave Enos: No, It was a different guy&#13;
Kim Morey: No, different guy&#13;
Dave Enos: The other guy that went by Minnesota Fats but this Willie Masconi was one of the&#13;
professional pool... he came down there and played. I am not in the picture because I was gone&#13;
then but I was not in that class but we had a picture of our class reunion and him playing pool&#13;
and all these kids around there watching him play. I knew a couple of them in the picture but&#13;
that's it. I remember when Jackson Boulevard was a railroad track. There were no roads there I&#13;
remember right there by Canyon Lake park there were box cars ,freight cars parked there. Right&#13;
to the north of it. Canyon Lake Park was on Canyon Lake Drive. There was no road there.&#13;
Kim Morey: You mentioned Canyon Lake back in the day.&#13;
Dave Enos: We used to go out there and go swimming. That was fantastic. It was the first place I&#13;
ever went swimming. They had a bath house and a place where you could buy candy and pop&#13;
and they had a girls and boys changing room. They had a dock coming off the high but the&#13;
structure went up, they had a low diving board, a medium diving board and a high diving board.&#13;
You could dive off into the water. And it was right across the street now from the driving lane to&#13;
the Southwest from the Canyon Lake Club. And there's a house out there now along Jackson&#13;
Blvd. It's still there. It was really kind of a fancy house. They used to raise palomino horses&#13;
&#13;
�there. Right to the north. The house is still there. It's kind of a Spanish architecture house. You&#13;
drive by and look at it and it is kind of a Spanish.&#13;
Kim Morey: It's right on Jackson Blvd?&#13;
Dave Enos: On the north side&#13;
Kim Morey: I drive Jackson Blvd.&#13;
Dave Enos: The Catholic Church is there and then to the east of that is the house..&#13;
Kim Morey: Oh I know that house yeah&#13;
Dave Enos: That was a brand new spanking.... that was really a fancy, fancy house in its day&#13;
Kim Morey: It looks like it’s a parsonage for the church or whatever the Catholics. It's that close&#13;
but ...&#13;
Dave Enos: It wasn't the parsonage. That was before the church was there&#13;
Kim Morey: Right Yeah&#13;
Dave Enos: The church wasn't there then. But they had corrals&#13;
Kim Morey: I didn't realize that house had been there that long I guess I hadn't paid attention&#13;
Dave Enos: Yeah they had palomino horses there. I remember seeing the horses run around&#13;
there.&#13;
Kim Morey: That Spanish architecture is something that was mentioned just earlier&#13;
today too that there used to be some buildings in town that had a kind of a Spanish architecture&#13;
look to them that has since gone away. I think maybe it was the State Theatre&#13;
that was one.&#13;
Dave Enos: The State Theatre was right adjacent to the old Sweeney building. I don't remember&#13;
that being a Spanish architecture. I think they kind of messed up and re-done front like a theatre&#13;
more than a marquis and stuff. That's all I remember.&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah&#13;
Dave Enos: I remember the Rex Theatre and the State. They used to have a little club here called&#13;
Little Rascals Club.&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah, I don't know about that one. The Rex Theater became the Rapid did it not?&#13;
Dave Enos: No it was always the Rex Theater. Rapid Theater was a drive-in. Well maybe it did&#13;
&#13;
�become Rapid Theater. I don't know it could have been. The Little Rascals... all those kids from&#13;
North Rapid we go down to the Alex Johnson and on the very top of the Alex Johnson there's&#13;
kind of a little greenhouse type thing. That's where KOTA radio used to be. We had to go up&#13;
there and tell them we wanted to become a member of the Little Red Rascals club. They gave&#13;
you a little red button you could wear and we would take that and get into the theater for I think&#13;
it was 20 cents then in Rapid Theater for 20 cents. And every Sat. they would have big drawings&#13;
and they'd have bicycles...I never won a thing not once. I never even won a bag of popcorn. But&#13;
there was always a whole stage full of prizes that businessmen had apparently given and they are&#13;
having drawings and giving them away to kids. Rapid City High School, you guys call it Dakota,&#13;
always been Rapid City High School to me or Central they call it. Still is Rapid City High&#13;
School right over there. I remember I used to walk from North Rapid down to the school. Of&#13;
course it was uphill both ways in the snow.&#13;
Kim Morey: in the snow... Of course yes. In August&#13;
Dave Enos: But I was walking down there one day and there was a guy that was painting the top&#13;
of that... what do you call that... the decorative thing around the surface of the ... Cornice... He&#13;
was painting it and the scaffold broke and he fell head first right down the hill. I remember&#13;
seeing that. He'd only fallen... he was laying there when I got there. I don't even know who he&#13;
was but it was a guy that fell off the scaffold broke and down he went head first. I remember&#13;
when I found out that they tore down the Coolidge building I couldn't believe it. I couldn't&#13;
believe they would do that. I thought it burned down. I found out from Jean that it was tore&#13;
down. I did not know that. That was so crazy, so crazy.&#13;
Kim Morey: I heard something about there was some thought or maybe there was it actually was&#13;
damaged by the fire at Washington School.&#13;
Dave Enos: No, that's my big rational cause I was there when Washington School burned and we&#13;
had classes in the Coolidge building. Now maybe it was burnt up a little bit I don't know but&#13;
after the Washington building burnt we still had classes in the Coolidge building. The thing&#13;
about that old building was really kind of unique, when the bell rang and the kids were in the&#13;
class you couldn't hear anything but when they're all in class if you got sent to the office, which I&#13;
did a few times...&#13;
Kim Morey: It was your reward for being a good student&#13;
David Enos: You walk down the hallway and it was just creak, creak, creak... you could hear it&#13;
creaking, the wood creaking. It was just weird. But when the bell rang you could hear everybody&#13;
yelling and talking. When there was no kids in the hallway you could hear the floors crack and&#13;
creak when you walked. Maybe that was why they tore it down but I'd have rather seen them try&#13;
to fix it. The other thing about it I don't know if you know but when you go into the first floor it&#13;
was like a split foyer entrance you go up and down. If you go down, no no if you went straight&#13;
ahead, straight ahead, if you walked up the floor and went straight ahead the gymnasium was in&#13;
there but you had to go down about 6 stairs. It was kind of sunken down in and around the&#13;
gymnasium was a mezzanine where the track guys used to run that. Did you know it was sunken&#13;
down like that? Do you know why they call Rapid City High School Cobblers?&#13;
&#13;
�Kim Morey: No, I don't&#13;
Dave Enos: Do you think it has anything to do with the shoemaker?&#13;
Kim Morey: That's what I'd assume from the mascot there.&#13;
Dave Enos: No not at all, not at all. When I was in high school you had to take PE courses and&#13;
the coach, the PE coach was Eucalid Cobb. His name was Cobb. And the radio announcer and I'd&#13;
don't know who it was in Rapid City when they had ball games you know the basketball course&#13;
up on the third floor over there. It goes out on the back but when people were having a basketball&#13;
game and you had the radio up there and the radio announcer whoever it was would say here&#13;
Coach Cobb and his Cobblers. So they got called the Cobblers. Nothing to do with the&#13;
shoemaker. Eucalid Cobb was his name. He was a tuff old duffer. He had this rope that he&#13;
wanted you to climb to the top of the rope hanging from the ceiling and he stand there and holler&#13;
at you and make you climb. I could never climb that stupid rope. Anyway these guys our class&#13;
we meet- we are kind of a unique class-and the class of 1958 we've stuck together pretty much.&#13;
People move away and they come back during the summer they always get.. we are meeting for&#13;
breakfast every Wednesday at Ron's restaurant. And it’s been other restaurants and ...&#13;
Kim Morey: Is that the new one out here now?&#13;
Dave Enos: Not the new one, it’s the old little dinky one across from where Graffiti’s car wash&#13;
used to be. That's where we are meeting now but we met at the golf course and we met at other&#13;
places but we kind of stick together we have pizza parties, you know 30-40 people show up and&#13;
everybody in our class knows about this and when they come to town to visit when they are on&#13;
vacation they show up down there. We have anywhere from 12 to 15 people at a time. This&#13;
Saturday we are having a picnic up in the Halls Park. Every time everybody throws a dollar on&#13;
the table, we have a guy that collects the money and then we have picnic or Christmas parties.&#13;
Kim Morey: Do you recall about how many there were in that class of '58?&#13;
Dave Enos: Right around 300. I can tell you where I was from the top. It wasn't the top, it was&#13;
the other end. Right around 300.&#13;
Kim Morey: The saddle making, was there a time that you recall when it was fairly common to&#13;
see people riding to town.&#13;
Dave Enos: No, no, that was before me. But I can tell you another thing about my family and my&#13;
Grandpas Harness shop. I don't know why it came to me when you said that something about the&#13;
saddle and business. Well my grandfather did very, very well financially even with all those kids.&#13;
Because ... and it was really during the depression but you see the government supported the&#13;
farmers to get their harnesses fixed so they could farm. And so the government would give&#13;
farmer’s vouchers and they would take them to the saddle shop and my grandfather would take&#13;
the vouchers, turn them over to the government to get paid.&#13;
So he was doing very, very well because he kept the harnesses and saddles or whatever the&#13;
&#13;
�farmers needed to keep farming. Actually he did I shouldn't say very, very well but he didn't&#13;
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silver trim and all kinds of fancy things. I've seen pictures of it but I don't know where it is now.&#13;
Kim Morey: Do you recall when the Duhamel’s got into broadcasting?&#13;
Dave Enos: I kind of do, that was ... they were of course in the Duhamel store first in fact if I&#13;
am thinking right they may have had the first TV station in Rapid City. I can remember first time&#13;
I ever saw TV. They used to have them in the store and we'd look in the window and watch them&#13;
in the store and I had an uncle that had bought one and I remember we used to all go to his house&#13;
to watch the TV at 530 in the evening it would come on and we would sit there and watch the&#13;
test pattern until it started with the Keystone Cops. But I think they might have been the very&#13;
first ones to have a TV station but I don't remember the year. I was probably guessing 4th - 8th&#13;
grade somewhere in there.&#13;
Kim Morey: You mentioned is it Bud Duhamel? What relation would that be?&#13;
&#13;
Dave Enos: That would be Helen's husband. Ok and Mimi was Bud Duhamel's mother. His&#13;
wife's name was Helen. She was a tough business woman and she ran the, ramrodded the whole&#13;
show. And I didn't know any of her children, I didn't know except I ran into one of her children, I&#13;
went to college with one of them. She was Kathy was in college at the same time I was. I don't&#13;
know what ever happened to her. And Helene, that they call her, I think she must be Bill's granddaughter to Helen and Bud. Bud was quite the old guy.&#13;
Kim Morey: You worked for the state of Kansas?&#13;
Dave Enos: Yes, I retired for the state of Kansas in 2006, well actually I....&#13;
Kim Morey: You were back and forth to Rapid quite a bit it sounds like.&#13;
Dave Enos: I was there about 17 years, the longest I've ever been out of South Dakota but I got&#13;
out of the Navy. What was I going to say, when I ... started to tell you about that... when I joined&#13;
the Navy, the reason I wanted to go to the Navy instead of the Marines. I'd heard about the&#13;
oceans and I wanted to see that piece of water. You couldn't see the other side. That's kind of&#13;
silly but that's what I thought. You know lakes, I'd never seen any water you couldn't see shore&#13;
on the other side. Well I saw it and I lived on it for 3 years and 6 months. After the Navy, I got&#13;
out 29 days early. They let me out early because I wanted to start college. I started college in&#13;
Spearfish and I finished that and I got married my sophomore year and then I taught school at&#13;
National College for about 15 years. They call it NAU now. When I was there it was National&#13;
College.&#13;
Kim Morey: So you mentioned a, oh the name escapes me now, a family that had National&#13;
&#13;
�college.&#13;
Dave Enos: Buckingham, Harold Buckingham. Yeah same family. George Buckingham might be&#13;
that's on that fire truck. Might be his father. I don't know. He had a daughter named Nancy I&#13;
went to high school with Nancy Buckingham she was in my class. Harold Buckingham, he's an&#13;
interesting guy. He did a lot of building on National College. I don't know what they are doing&#13;
with all the buildings they built. He was always building new buildings. He built up the school&#13;
quite a bit. It used to be fun but we'd have a faculty meeting, I was teaching, I taught there for 15&#13;
years.&#13;
Kim Morey: What did you teach?&#13;
Dave Enos: Accounting and business. Mostly accounting.&#13;
Kim Morey: I was more or less unofficially voted member of my high school class to be least&#13;
likely to go to college.&#13;
Dave Enos: Well me too.&#13;
Kim Morey: I have a doctorate now. Yeah&#13;
Dave Enos: I had the Masters I was working on a doctorate but I didn't finish it up.&#13;
Kim Morey: Yeah ... the National College thing there....&#13;
Dave Enos: Oh I was going to tell you ... he was building new buildings all the time. He was&#13;
always expanding. I was there when they got their accreditation for North Central. I was&#13;
involved in the self-studies we went through. There AICS accredited. That was the Association&#13;
of Independent Schools and colleges. Something like that. Then they got the North Central&#13;
accreditation and we had to do self-studies. It was quite an involved process. I was involved in&#13;
developing the studies that we did for the department. Anyway I used to laugh. Harold&#13;
Buckingham would come in and we'd have a faculty meeting and he would say well I've got a&#13;
really good "inerest" rate. He called it inerest. He never said interest. "We got a really good&#13;
inerest rate". Yeah.&#13;
Kim Morey: That means you got another building?&#13;
Dave Enos: Yeah and like I say it was a pretty good school. Kind of expensive nowadays I guess.&#13;
Very expensive but..My wife and I both went to Black Hills. In fact in that day my wife and I&#13;
both registered for 300.00 and then my mother-in-law graduated. She got her Masters the same&#13;
time I did. We both did that.&#13;
Kim Morey: I graduated in 1981&#13;
Dave Enos: I in 66 and 73. But Nelson was the department chair when I was there.&#13;
&#13;
�Kim Morey: I recall yeah I can't say his first name now but&#13;
Dave Enos: I don't know either&#13;
Kim Morey: But I did know it and he was still involved but emeritus status eventually every&#13;
once in a while we ...&#13;
Dave Enos. But I see you did the Air Force not the Navy.&#13;
Kim Morey: Yes I did. I grew up in Indiana.&#13;
Dave Enos: Were you a pilot?&#13;
Kim Morey: No, I was a gunner on B52's&#13;
Dave Enos: Back to Rapid City. Like I said when I left Kansas I retired in Kansas. I worked for&#13;
the Kansas gaming commission. I was an administrative agency judge there for about 17 years.&#13;
When I retired I wanted to come back to the Rapid City. Kansas was great. It was good, I lived in&#13;
Wichita it was nice town in some ways some ways it was not so good. I am trying to think of&#13;
what else to say here. I think I told you about everything I know.&#13;
Kim Morey: We've covered a few things anyway. Now the high school years in Rapid City, the&#13;
entertainment, and the things that were available.&#13;
Dave Enos: I don't know if this is going to do much good for the library here. But I was just&#13;
traveling in my motorhome here and we just got back from the East Coast and I took this picture&#13;
and I wanted to it to all my high school friends that I have breakfast with every day. I'll show it&#13;
to you. Cause I saw this in a restaurant in Ohio. There was some people sitting there and I&#13;
excused myself and I said I'd like to take this picture. I don't want to bother you but I think I&#13;
know the guys in this picture. You can see a picture of one, two, three, four, five guys looking&#13;
under the hood of a car and I told the people I know each one of those guys. Actually what I am&#13;
meaning is that right over here in the parking lot of Rapid City High school we used to do the&#13;
same thing. Some guy would come in with a 1951 Mercury... some guy would get his pair of&#13;
duel carburetors for their car, I'm sure it had a V-8 engine we would all have our heads under&#13;
there looking at it and I saw this picture. I couldn't get the picture without the glare. I wanted to&#13;
blow it up and give it to these guys and tell them... anyway I told the people in that booth in Ohio&#13;
that I knew every one of those guys. They said really where you from. I said SD. How do you&#13;
know them? Well seemingly I know them. So we parked right over there I see they made it a&#13;
parking lot over there now where we used to always park and it’s all paved. It used to just be&#13;
gravel there. We parked all of our cars. Everybody had a car. You could tell it was... nowadays&#13;
you go to the schools and look at the parking lots and looks like a car lot. Nice new cars. We&#13;
always tore them up. We were fixing up changing them, doing this and that. Some would be&#13;
halfway painted and unpainted. As for as recreation mostly what we did is have keg parties up in&#13;
the hills. We would get a keg up behind Canyon Lake. Up on Rimrock highway. You can't even&#13;
drive there now. It was a beautiful ride. Switch backs going up the hill then you drive...you know&#13;
where Dark Canyon is? That road used to go right along that rim. It was a beautiful ride. Well&#13;
&#13;
�now its changed roads, changed to private property, you can't even get back there now. Used to&#13;
go out there and have keg parties. Out at Sheridan Lake behind the lake. That was about the&#13;
worst thing we ever did. Drink a lot of beer and wreck cars I guess.&#13;
Kim Morey: I know it’s kind of out of town and there wouldn't be much reason to have a lot to&#13;
do with it but do you have any recollection of Pactola being built.&#13;
Dave Enos: I do come to think of it, now that you mention it yes I do. I remember driving down&#13;
the highway with my folks and we stopped at the gas station beneath Moose Camp at a store and&#13;
gas station there and I am looking up at the top of the hill and those caterpillars working up on&#13;
the top of the hill and I thought what are those doing up on top of that hill way up there. Now&#13;
that's where the road is now. So I have a great vision of how deep that thing is because I was at&#13;
the bottom looking at those hills when they were building the road up there before the dam was&#13;
built. Yeah I remember that. There was no lake there then just building the dam. Bernice&#13;
Bushcamp, she was very infamous lady I guess. I didn't know her, don't know if I ever saw her or&#13;
not.&#13;
Kim Morey: There was a section of Rapid City over between the creek and Omaha.&#13;
Dave Enos: Coney Island, Yeah. There were two big wooden buildings, they were wood. At least&#13;
3 stories high if I remember right. And they were all rentals but all supposedly had working girls&#13;
there. I don't know if they did or not I never participated but there was a lot of air force guys that&#13;
hung out there and a guy that kind of hung around with us in school but he never went to classes.&#13;
I never saw him in class. He was always there. I don't know if I should mention his name or not&#13;
but his mother owned the place. Coney Island.&#13;
Kim Morey: Do you know what its demise was? It wasn't washed away with the flood?&#13;
Dave Enos: No it was pretty much... I think when the flood happened it was in a flood plain and&#13;
it had to be demolished and removed. They cleaned out a lot... you weren't here when Omaha&#13;
street looked like back before the flood. In fact at one time as a kid I remember nobody in their&#13;
right mind would drive a car down Omaha Street. It was too rough and rattily. The washboard&#13;
would break the windows... not really but rattle terrible. Nobody in their right mind would drive&#13;
their car down Omaha street. And right west of East Blvd. on the north side of what's now&#13;
Omaha before you got to the packing plant, Ward/Lamb lumber company and Black Hills&#13;
Packing Plant right in that area was a really scuzzy area shacks, just really bad and it stunk&#13;
terribly because of the packing plant. Terrible smell. When the flood happened it sure cleaned&#13;
out a lot of that stuff and made things a whole lot better. My relatives that were killed in the&#13;
flood kind of in-laws that were killed in the flood. I was here, I was at the Pretty Pines party&#13;
house. It was the night of the flood. I was a Shriner. I still am. I don't participate much anymore.&#13;
The night of the flood we were having a party. We were out there for dinner and a banquet. The&#13;
next day we were having a Shriner initiation in Rapid City. And it was raining terribly hard and&#13;
Glen Vest was there and I remember some police came and got a hold of Glen Vest and he left&#13;
and I don't know why. We just kept having our banquet party and next morning. At night we&#13;
went home. I lived over here in South Canyon and I didn't have any flood problems. I went to&#13;
bed, got up the next morning, got my costume out and I started down the hill to go to the parade.&#13;
&#13;
�We were going to have a parade in Rapid City. I started down the hill, Packard Hill. I don't know&#13;
if you know where that is. Do you know where Shooters is? That used to be Packard hill because&#13;
that building there used to be the Packard Garage. So I was down that hill and when I got to&#13;
Baken Park there was a house sitting in the middle of the road. I thought oh my god maybe they&#13;
are not going to have a parade today. I didn't realize how bad it was.&#13;
Kim Morey: You say Glen Vest.&#13;
Dave Enos: Yeah he was a sheriff during the flood. He was at the Shrine party that night and&#13;
they came and got him out of there because of the flood. At the time we didn't know why he left.&#13;
Oh I probably better let you go.&#13;
Kim Morey: This really is as long as we want. They will probably close the library sometime.&#13;
Dave Enos: No, No I am about talked out I guess.&#13;
Kim Morey: Well is there any the flood since we have that little bit of it how you learned there&#13;
was had been something more than a lot of rain. How long did it take before you felt like things&#13;
got back to normal I guess?&#13;
Dave Enos: Oh it was a long time. Cars and houses were being destroyed ________ had to be&#13;
destroyed. Oh I am sure it was a year or so. I don't remember how long. I remember seeing East&#13;
Blvd. cars piled up on top of each other where the parking lot used to be and right there on the&#13;
northwest, you look at the intersection, on the northwest section was concave. The creek was&#13;
kind of low and there used to be mobile homes in there. They were all turned upside down, cars&#13;
piled in there and all kinds of stuff. It was quite a while. I mean it was a long time before they&#13;
got it all fixed up. Maybe more than a year. I don't remember how long it was but it was quite a&#13;
deal.&#13;
Kim Morey: Were you teaching at that time?&#13;
Dave Enos: Yes, I was teaching at National College&#13;
Kim Morey: And the National College Campus was quite a ways away from...&#13;
Dave Enos: It was on Kansas City Street where those buildings are now. There was no damage&#13;
there I think.&#13;
Kim Morey: Well that's the beauty of this like I say is if you think of something else.&#13;
Dave Enos: Well I can't imagine someone is going to listen through all that stuff but...&#13;
Kim Morey. Well we'll find out won't we? I will go ahead and stop the recording ok.&#13;
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